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For those of you who haven't yet bought Eminem's latest rap album, a quick review: It's obnoxious, self-indulgent and vulgar.

So vulgar our standards and practices department won't let us put most of it on the air. You'll have to use your imagination. But it's also a big seller with kids.

To answer that we're join by shock-jock Doug Tracht, aka The Greaseman, and Baltimore radio talk show host Tom Marr. OK, tell me, Greaseman, this album by Eminem, which I haven't yet added to my Eminem library at home, but apparently is way more vulgar than anything Opie and Anthony have ever put on the radio.

And yet it's also produced by a big company, just like their radio station, the FCC or other government agencies CROSSTALK TRACHT: You know what I think it is?

I'll tell you what it is: People like that kind of stuff. I remember growing up and, don't hit the geez alarm on me now, but after school we'd get together and play some ball.

You'd get out and run around, have some fun. Nowadays everybody's online, logging on to some hideous Web site, and the people that used to play sports but never got chosen get angrier.

And I think there's a segment of society that thinks it's easier to smash rather than create. And maybe people get off on watching people tinkle on monuments, and really CARLSON: So it's loser art for losers?

TRACHT: I think sometimes it is, although I do like two trailer park girls go round the outside, round the outside, round the outside.

I mean, I do -- I mean, I like the beat there. And I've used some of it, with apologies to Eminem, Grease is back.

Yes, he's back. But I think in the art form, not just Eminem CARLSON: You have a terrific voice, by the way. TRACHT: Well, you are too kind, sir.

I think, however, though, that in not just Eminem, but some of the stuff you see on MTV, the videos where people, there will be a video of somebody throwing up.

It's just disdained. It's like I'm out there, I'll never be the happening daddy in the white buck shoes who gets the pretty girl, so let me just throw some vomit against a wall, tinkle on a monument and the hell with it.

I'll get back on my computer and see if I can self- destruct the American Airlines, you know, reservations board. It's nuts, I tell you. People need to play ball, get some fresh air in their lungs, for God's sakes.

CARVILLE: I think we can -- you and I can agree with the Greaseman. What do we do about this? This all stuff is degrading.

My friend, C. Dolores Tucker, up in Philadelphia has been ranting TRACHT: Good lady, a great lady, has done a lot of work.

But she and Joe Lieberman aren't going to settle. CARVILLE: What's the answer? TRACHT: The answer is this, and you mentioned earlier on who's responsible.

This guy does a freak show. And he's making a lot of money out of doing a freak show. And you know what I'm going to hear from those who defend him?

Oh, well when you were growing up in , it was your parents were all concerned about Elvis and the pelvis. Let me tell you, this isn't Elvis and the pelvis.

This is killing your mother. It's the parents, James. Should there be -- should the government do something? TRACHT: No.

CARVILLE: The government shouldn't do anything. TRACHT: And I'll tell you why. If the government steps in -- the Congress should call up the people who promote it and make them tell the American people why they market it to children on the air.

CROSSTALK CARVILLE: Let me go through some solutions here. So, you say the government shouldn't do anything, OK? You agree with that? TRACHT: I agree.

CARVILLE: OK. Should people like you call for a boycott of all of the products of the parent company that distributes this? Let me tell you, if you put a little something on the thing and you say, do not buy, you have to be over 18 to buy, they're all going to want it then.

CARVILLE: Well, that's the government. TRACHT: Well, that is. So, you don't want CARVILLE: So, you want the government to force people TRACHT: What you ought to do is say to the parents, look, and I'm no prude by any stretch of the imagination, but you should watch MTV tonight and have a discussion with your children afterwards.

That's all. CARLSON: Greaseman, you seem to have your finger on the pulse of the lower end of the America. TRACHT: Hey, hey, hey.

CARLSON: I mean that as a compliment, as a sociological compliment. How low will it go? What is the bottom? TRACHT: I think we'll snap back. Everybody says this is awful.

But I do agree, even though you think it's more than Elvis the pelvis. But every generation has its anger, has to come of age. And even though we're appalled and shocked at some of the scatalogical ph aspects of the increasingly angry music scene, I think it, too, will pass.

And sooner or later MARR: Oh, no. TRACHT: I think it will. I don't think we'll CROSSTALK MARR: What they ought to do, now, let me get CARLSON: Unfortunately, we're out of time.

CROSSTALK MARR: Take this little freak and put his little ass in Parris Island for 12 weeks and make a man out of him. CARLSON: All right.

Tom Marr, Greaseman, two of our most sensitive guests. Still ahead, it's nickname is the first state, but it's the last place many drivers want to find themselves.

Later, President Bush outrages environmentalists by trying to stop forest fires, if you can imagine. And our "Quote of the Day" is supposed to encourage couch potatoes to get their hands out of the pretzel bag and strap on their running shoes.

Bush started jogging 30 years ago. He says it started to cure hangovers. Later, he found that running helped him quit drinking altogether. Nowadays, the president tells "Runner's World" magazine that running even helps him clear his mind and cope with the stress of world terrorism.

He runs six days a week, going three miles in under 21 minutes. And a piece of advice from the president's interview is our "Quote of the Day.

No excuses. If the president of the United States can make time, you can make time. I think this is a good thing.

I'm a runner myself. I've been doing it for over 20 years. It's had a very positive impact on my life. I encourage other people to do it. And I think exercise is good.

CARLSON: I think that's great. And I think it's great president enjoys it. But this business about no excuses is ridiculous. People have real excuses.

Not everybody has a staff of thousands like the president. Some people have little kids at home or more than one job, as you often point out on this show.

And so to tell people how to spend their leisure time, I don't care who you are, to bully people and say you're morally obligated CARVILLE: I don't think he's saying that.

CARVILLE: I think he's giving people advice and I think it's an excellent use of the bully pulpit. CARLSON: I could think of about 20 good excuses.

A little convenience is coming back to airline travel, thank heaven. Connie Chung has details coming up in a CNN "News Alert.

Why would environmentalists be burned up about a plan to make forests less combustible? We'll ask one of them. Also, check your pocket for change.

We're taking you to a toll booth paradise. One of the worst states in America. We're coming to you, as we always do, from the George Washington University here in downtown Washington, D.

President Bush flew to Oregon today to confront a burning environmental problem, our forests. Years of mismanagement and neglect have left a buildup of brush and dead wood fueling superhot, superdestructive fires.

The president's answer: encourage logging companies to clear out the dry undergrowth and thin out the trees.

It's a suggestion sure to ignite environmentalists and others reflexively opposed to progress. Here in the CROSSFIRE, Scott Stoermer, he's communications director the League of Conservation Voters; and in Denver is Colorado Republican Congressman Thomas Tancredo, a member of the resources committee.

APPLAUSE CARVILLE: Just so I'm straight here, the president's proposal, we're not going to really cut down any big trees, we're just going to clear this underbrush out and a couple of little dangerous trees, right?

THOMAS TANCREDO R , COLORADO: Well, sometimes that will be the case. But sometimes, some bigger trees will have to be taken out because you can't always clear -- you cannot always do thinning just ensuring that you're taking out smaller trees.

It will not -- that would not be the best thing to do for the forest. CARVILLE: But nobody's going to make any money off of this, no logging company or anything like that?

TANCREDO: I hope some companies make a profit on it. But, in fact, we're going to have to actually go out and pay some companies to take this stuff out, because it isn't usually economically feasible.

It is small stuff, and underbrush, which no one wants to take out. We'll have to pay them to do it. CARLSON: Now, Scott Stoermer, 6 million acres have burned this summer alone.

If you love the wilderness, like I do, you're really interested in finding out ways to stop this from happening again.

One of the main reasons it's burned, as you know, is because there's all this uncollected dead wood on the floors of our national forests.

President Bush wants to get rid of that. What in the world is wrong with that? So, I mean, why wouldn't you go ahead and be for this?

CARLSON: There's no reason to mock that. STOERMER: I think it's really important. I think it's thrilling that he goes and does this on his ranch every day.

But I think that the important thing to know here is what is the most important thing to do that's a commonsense, responsible policy of protecting these forests and the communities on the edge of these forests?

And the first thing that we can do with that is, as the congressman said, make sure that we're removing small trees and the dense brush that's actually the fuel that creates these fires.

Now, the problem that we face on the other hand is that timber companies have been removing these larger trees that are actually fire resistant, that actually keep these fires from happening.

So, what the president's proposal today would do was allow -- is allow federal contracts for timber companies to go in and take out the bigger trees, even more of them, and also, wave really important environmental laws protecting our air, water CARLSON: I don't mean to patronize you, but you obviously don't know a lot about logging.

I want to give you a great example, Maine, about half the state is owned by timber companies. More timber now in Maine than there was years ago.

For a lot of reasons, one of them is timber companies plant trees when they take out trees, as you know, usually two to one or more.

So, what is, apart from the idea of never cut down a single tree, what's wrong with taking out your odd tree if it stops forest fires? I don't get it.

STOERMER: Well, the thing is is taking out those trees that do stop forest fires. When you're talking about allowing timber companies to go ahead and go in and reap a profit off of making sure that they're getting rid of these trees in these areas, these are trees that actually curtail forest fires.

And these are the ones that they're removing. CARVILLE: Let me give you a chance, Congressman. I can see you're frustrated there.

TANCREDO: If you want to make healthy forests, if you want to do something to create healthy forests, you will have to sometimes take out larger trees because you want to create some diversity in that forest.

That's the reason you do it, not because it is all that economically viable or because logging companies are just looking so enviously at those big trees.

But look, look, let's be realistic about this. To defend the position you've taken, you've got to be the last wing on the left -- the last feather in the left wing of the environmentalist wacko group because even, even Senator Daschle, for God's sake, has said that we need to do this kind of thinning in the black forest.

As a matter of fact, he called for the suspension of all environmental laws and no more appeals, no more lawsuits being brought.

I kind of wish the president would have gone that far. STOERMER: Congressman, you well know that that agreement was negotiated between environmentalists, between members of Congress, between agencies involved CROSSTALK TANCREDO: I don't care who it was negotiated in front of.

I'm all for it. It was a great idea. God bless you, Tom Daschle. TANCREDO: It's great. Tom Daschle did a great job. CARVILLE: Let me get this straight now, Congressman.

This president engaged in protectionism for favor of the logging industry. Now you're telling me these logging companies are going to go in and cut these year old trees down.

Look, the best way to get rid of forest fires is to get rid of trees. You have no trees, you have no forest fires. LAUGHTER TANCREDO: Well, of course forest fires are healthy.

Some are very healthy for the forest, and we have to have them. The problem is that the kind we're having today are not healthy at all. They burn far more quickly and they burn far more seriously.

They do more damage to the actual ground. This kind of stuff is the worst kind of environmental management. It shouldn't be going on. And the only way to really address it is through thinning and prescribed burns -- those two issues.

And I want to read you a quote from Tom Daschle. Obviously you're a Democrat; you're on Tom Daschle's side. But here's Tom Daschle's STOERMER: Honestly, the League of Conservation, its voters, is not a partisan organization.

We support Republicans and Democrats. CARVILLE: Are you a Washington lobbyist? STOERMER: No, I'm not a Washington lobbyist. CARLSON: Anyway, look, Scott, I want you to listen to a quote here from Tom Daschle.

This is his justification for suspending environmental laws in his state of South Dakota. It's a matter of life and death.

Why are you holding it up? STOERMER: We're not holding it up. And we're not talking about that. We are talking about what is most responsible for these communities that are on the edges of these forests.

The best way to do that CARLSON: Do they know it's most responsible? STOERMER: And they do. And the problem is that this proposal is irresponsible.

It turns of these -- it turns over forest fire protection to private companies, and we all know how well private companies do when it comes to protecting the public interest.

CARVILLE: All right LAUGHTER CARLSON: Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. CARVILLE: Why can't the government -- can't go clearing these things out or what's the problem here?

TANCREDO: I'm sorry. CARVILLE: He just said that they're turning all of this over to these private companies who are cutting these big trees down.

We can't get people in there to do that? TANCREDO: Well, I know that those kind of lines are nice throw- away lines that somebody might pay attention to or believe.

But of course that is nothing that is being proposed here. We are proposing to let forests be managed by the Forest Service.

In some cases, that means allowing companies to come in and log. In some cases it actually means having the Forest Service go out and do it itself.

It is not a throw -- I mean, it is not a give away to private industry, although some people get so scared about that possibility.

I don't. CARLSON: OK. Congressman Tancredo, thanks so much for joining us. Scott Stoermer, thank you. Appreciate it. CARVILLE: Thank you very much.

APPLAUSE CARLSON: Coming up in our "Fireback" segment, a viewer's observations about public places where sex apparently is and is not permissible.

You won't want to miss that. But next, don't mess with Delaware. You might want to miss Delaware; don't mess with it. Is one of the nation's smallest states really one of our biggest embarrassments?

Of course it is. We'll explain. We will be right back. It's tucked unobtrusively between Pennsylvania and Maryland and just across the Delaware River from New Jersey.

Perhaps you have driven on Delaware's famous turnpike. According to an article in the New Republic, the turnpike and accompany tollbooth is just one of the reasons why Delaware qualifies as the worst state in the nation.

It's author, Jonathan Chait is here to make his case. And in Wilmington, to defend his state's honor, is Delaware congressman and former governor, Michael Castle.

Castle, thanks for joining us. I am completely predisposed to like Delaware. Some of my favorite relatives live there.

In fact, I saw them today. But I will tell you why I really don't like Delaware is because I drive to Maine. And every time I do, here's what I experience.

In a quote directly from the Jonathan Chait piece. I- 95 tolls amount to less than 5 cents per mile in New Jersey and 4 cents in Maryland, in Delaware, they cost an exorbitant 18 cents per mile.

In other words, Delaware uses its position of 95 to hold up the rest of us just passing through. And it's wrong, isn't it?

MICHAEL CASTLE R , DELAWARE: Well, that's just not completely accurate. Have you been to New York City lately? Have you driven through there?

What's that, about one mile or something of that nature? CARLSON: Yes, but we gave up on New York a long time ago. Delaware, there was some hope.

Why do you do this? CASTLE: Well, Delaware is a state which built its own highway system. We have to pay for our highway system.

Jonathan also said we don't have a gasoline tax. We do have a gasoline tax for instance. It's a state which proudly protects its environment.

So we use some of the money for that purpose. And frankly, we run a low tax state. He apparently doesn't like the fact that we don't have a sales tax.

He says that hurts other states. Most of the people I now feel that sales tax is the most unfair tax of all, the most regressive tax you can have.

We're very proud of the fact that we're a low tax state, that we don't have a sales tax, that we take care of our citizens. And by the way, there's typically not that big of wait at our turnpike.

And try E-ZPass and you probably won't have any wait at all. CARVILLE: Jonathan, let me -- I know the governor, Ruth Ann Minner, a dear friend of mine.

I did a fund raiser for her. I know people in Delaware. They're very nice people and very proud of their state. And you pick on this little old second smallest state in the union.

Why don't you pick on somebody you're own size. I mean, there have got to be worse places in the world than Delaware. JONATHAN CHAIT, SENIOR EDITOR, "NEW REPUBLIC": Well, it's still a lot bigger than I am.

And parasites are small, but that doesn't mean they're a good thing. The congressman has a lot of wrong information.

The fact that Delaware is a low tax state is exactly the point. They're a low tax state because the rest of us are paying their taxes for them.

They should pay their own taxes for their own government. CASTLE: Well, Jonathan would have loved it about 30 years ago. We were a high tax state. The reason we are a low tax state is we're very successful economically.

In fact, the usual argument with Delaware is not that we are a bad state, but that we are a very good state.

I thought I was going through a nightmare when I read this article. We have been rated with the best court system in the country, one of the best economies in the country.

CHAIT: Well, it's corporate friendly; not best. CASTLE: Strong environmental practices, all of these things which make a huge difference in the lives of our people.

But we believe in trying to give them a place where they can live inexpensively. We have the lowest tax state for senior citizens in the United States of America.

He would have loved it 30 years ago. CASTLE: He would have loved it then. CARLSON: But Congressman, you say it's a good state. It's sort of a goody-two-shoes state.

No offense or anything. I want to read you a list of Delaware state things. Your state flower is the peach blossom. Your state tree is the holly.

Your state bug is the ladybug. You state beverage is milk. Your state colors are colonial blue and buff, whatever that is.

And the University of Delaware mascot is the blue hen. Now this is -- I mean this is not an image of toughness or -- or this is not "Don't tread on me state," is it.

This is the buff state. CASTLE: Well, don't fool around with the Blue Hen football team. They're pretty tough. And it's a good state.

Just ask everybody in your audience how often they've been to Rehoboth Beach for example. And Jonathan, maybe you'd like to go to Rehoboth Beach.

Maybe you'd like to come to Wilmington. Maybe you could let me show you around. I'll show you really one of the very fine states in this entire country.

CHAIT: I don't feel sitting through the traffic, frankly, to go there. CARVILLE: What are some other things that you say are wrong with Delaware besides the tolls?

CHAIT: Well, it's incorporation practices are quite outrageous. They're all designed to get companies to incorporate in Delaware and pay these incorporation fees to take care of Delaware's budget.

More than a quarter of their state budget comes from these incorporation fees. So they don't have to have their own taxes CASTLE: Well, let's go into that for a minute.

Let's go into that for a minute. The corporation statutes of Delaware are really no different than any other states. Our courts have been ruled fair.

One share of stock and you can bring a lawsuit in Delaware you couldn't in other states. It's very fair to every body, to the stockholders as well as the individuals who are incorporating CHAIT: It's not fair to the stockholders.

CASTLE: Yes, it is fair to the stockholders. CHAIT: It's fair to the managers. CASTLE: And the reason they like to come to Delaware is that our court system is so good they know what the laws are.

CHAIT: Friendly, friendly is the word. CASTLE: They know they will be treated fairly. And that's why they come into the state of Delaware.

You need to understand the system. And unfortunately you didn't, which is fine. CHAIT: Every time CASTLE: I understand you didn't do as much research of on that, but that's the way it works.

LAUGHTER CHAIT: Other states have tried to underbid Delaware to get the corporations to come to their state, and Delaware has undercut them time after time.

They don't care about having good laws. They just care about drawing corporations in to their states.

They don't have to pay their own taxes. CASTLE: Well, Mr. Chait, that's a wholly inaccurate statement. It's not a low tax circumstance at all.

In fact, it's not even a tax when you get right down to it. It's fees. CHAIT: No, it's regulation CASTLE: Other states are lower than Delaware.

CASTLE: It's good laws in Delaware which have made the difference. CARLSON: Well, speaking, I'm so glad you brought that up, Congressman Castle.

Speaking of laws in Delaware I was fascinated to learn in Mr. Chait's piece that the pillory, the Mid-evil punishment was not eliminated in Delaware until the beginning of the 20th century.

And in fact, flogging, whipping people was still common in the state until the mids. And the last person Delaware has flogged was in Now I'm no liberal, but flogging?

And B, what was he flogged for? CASTLE: Well, first of all, I'm not liberal either, but when it comes down to flogging I think that's absolutely wrong.

And I'm glad we got rid of it ' I wish we had gotten rid of it in CARLSON: Take a stand, Congressman. CASTLE: I'm in agreement with Jonathan at least on one thing.

CARVILLE: All right, thank you both. CARLSON: OK, well you're both anti-fun. Congressman Michael Castle from Delaware, thanks so much for joining us.

CASTLE: Well, thank you, and just remember that Delaware is the number one state, and it's a great state to visit. And we would encourage every one to visit.

And I want to host Jonathan sometime. And maybe we can get a different article in the New Republic, a better article in the New Republic.

CARLSON: All right, crack the whip, Congressman. CARVILLE: Here, here. Thank you, Jonathan. CARLSON: Jonathan Chait, thanks for joining us. Kein anderes Mädchen ausser ihr habe lange Hosen getragen, hiess es von Tante Gisela.

Ich sah darin ein Zeichen der Verbundenheit, auch ich wollte Hosen und keine Röcke tragen, weil ich so dünne Beine hatte: Storchenbeine, sagten meine Onkel, und ich hasste sie dafür.

Meine Tante hatte die langen Hosen schon vor dem Krieg getragen. In Schlesien. Also in jener Welt, die bereits versunken war, als ich geboren wurde.

Die Gisela hat sich schon immer durchgesetzt, sagte meine Mutter und erzählte Geschichten, in denen Tante Gisela wie ein Fabelwesen auftauchte, Geschichten, die von dem Krieg, der Flucht und dem, was die Schwestern ihr Zuhause nannten, handelten, also dem, was für mich so fern und rätselhaft war wie ein Schwarzes Loch.

Schon damals habe sich Tante Gisela durch besondere Kühnheit ausgezeichnet, hiess es: Als eine Schwester sich ohne ihre Erlaubnis ihr Kleid auslieh und damit zum Tanzen ging, sei Tante Gisela hinter ihr hergeradelt und habe ihre Schwester vor aller Augen gezwungen, das Kleid wieder auszuziehen.

Und als die Familie vor den Russen flüchten musste, habe meine Tante beschlossen, ihr Glück allein zu versuchen, weshalb sie sich auf den ersten Soldatenwagen setzte und gen Westen fuhr, bis mein Grossvater sie am nächsten Kontrollposten festnehmen liess.

Als ein durchreisender Soldat meiner Tante einen Totenkopfring schenkte, habe sie sich selbst dann nicht davon trennen wollen, als mein Grossvater drohte, ihr den Finger abzuschneiden.

Und als jenes Russenweib es wagte, meiner Tante Vorschriften zu machen, wurde sie von ihr verprügelt und zerkratzt: Das sind meine Pistolen!

Worauf der russische Kommandant höchstpersönlich die Füsse und Hände meiner Tante fesselte und ihr die Fingernägel abschnitt, mit einem Taschenmesser.

Und danach meinen Grossvater halbtot prügelte. Das war Tante Gisela. Andererseits sei sie es gewesen, die später auf der Flucht ihre Mutter und ihre Schwestern vor dem Verhungern gerettet und in den Westen gebracht habe, damals.

Ohne die Gisela hätten wir nicht überlebt, sagte meine Mutter immer. Und deshalb sahen ihr die Schwestern die langen Haare, das Per-Anhalter-Fahren und das lange Schlafen nach.

Jedenfalls manchmal. Tante Gisela trug Blumenkleider mit Volants und Gepunktetes und hohe Absätze, und ich liebte sie dafür, denn sie hatte so kleine Füsse, dass mir ihre Schuhe schon als Kind passten.

Wenn wir sie in Hamburg besuchten, lief ich morgens auf ihren Zwölf-Zentimeter-Absätzen zum Bäcker, um Brötchen zu holen.

Als sich meine Tante das Wadenbein brach und ihr Fuss in Gips gelegt wurde, trug sie am anderen Fuss weiterhin ihren Stiletto mit Eisenabsatz.

Die Schwestern machten sich mit engen Sommerkostümen reisefertig, ich trug ein Sommerkleid und schämte mich wie immer meiner dünnen Beine. Auf der Insel herrschte eine Windstärke, bei der wir uns kaum auf den Beinen halten konnten, weshalb sich das von meiner Tante mit Optimismus mitgeführte Federballspiel schnell als überflüssig erwies.

Auch hatte Tante Gisela nicht bedacht, dass Helgoland in der Hauptsaison ausgebucht sein könnte, weshalb wir nach stundenlangem Herumirren am Ende im Obdachlosenheim übernachten mussten.

In Doppelstockbetten, die an Gefängnispritschen gemahnten. Starr vor Scham lag ich unter kratzigen, grauen Filzdecken und beschloss, niemandem von dieser Schmach zu erzählen.

Aber am nächsten Tag fand ich am Strand Muscheln und Seesterne, was mich mit Helgoland wieder versöhnte. Die organisatorischen Defizite der Reise wurden meiner Tante jedoch noch Jahrzehnte später zur Last gelegt.

Tante Gisela war es auch, zu der ich meinen ersten längeren Ausflug mit meinem Jugendfreund machte: Ich war sechzehn, er achtzehn.

Wir fuhren bei Tempo achtzig in einem NSU Prinz nach Hamburg, schliefen inmitten von Trockenblumensträussen, unverrückbaren Polstermöbeln, Porzellanpuppen, Keramikkatzen und Häkeldeckchen im Wohnzimmer meiner Tante und hatten Sex in der Badewanne.

Und meine Tante tat so, als sei das gemeinsame Baden eine begrüssenswerte Massnahme zur Wasserersparnis.

Und selbst wenn mein Freund Tabakkrümel von seinen selbstgedrehten Zigaretten hinterliess oder ich auf unachtsame Weise die Jacke auszog, worauf ein Trockenblumenstrauss ein paar Blätter verlor, sagte meine Tante nur: Macht nichts.

Obwohl Tante Giselas Erfolg bei den Männern legendär war, lebte sie mit keinem Mann zusammen. Sie interessierte sich weder für das Kochen noch für das Hemdenbügeln.

Sie bot nicht mehr als grüne Augen, schwarze Haare und Schwung beim Cha-Cha-Cha. Und die Männer wollten nichts anderes. Einmal sei meine Tante in Begleitung eines Mannes zu Besuch gekommen, aber der Mann, in dem ihre Schwestern bereits einen zukünftigen Verlobten sahen, stellte sich im Laufe des Abends lediglich als LKW-Fahrer heraus, der meine Tante ein Stück mitgenommen hatte.

Und meine Mutter erzählt noch heute, wie Tante Gisela während eines Spaziergangs vergeblich nach einem Papierkorb suchte, in den sie ihre leere Pommes-frites-Schale werfen konnte.

Als sie an einer Polizeiwache vorbeikam, schritt Tante Gisela auf den Spitzen ihrer Pumps über den Rasen zu dem Polizisten, der am Fenster stand, und legte ihm die leere Pommes-frites-Schale mit den Worten in die Hand: Herr Wachtmeister, können Sie mir das mal eben abnehmen?

Und der Blödmann hat ihr das tatsächlich abgenommen! Als ich erwachsen war, zog ich nach Hamburg, da war meine Tante gerade Rentnerin geworden.

Sie trug zwar immer noch hohe Absätze und lange, lackschwarze Haare, aber die grenzenlose Freiheit ihres neuen Lebensabschnitts schien ihren Tatendrang zu lähmen.

Sie verbrachte ihre Tage mit Kreuzworträtseln, Gobelinstickerei und noch ausgiebigerem Schlaf und ging nicht mal mehr tanzen. Ein schweres Krankheitsbild.

Manchmal lud ich meine Tante ins Restaurant ein oder kochte etwas für sie, obwohl ich spürte, dass sie eigentlich nur ass, um mir einen Gefallen zu tun.

Mehrmals fuhr Tante Gisela sogar mit ihren Schwestern in Urlaub, nach Spanien und nach Ischia, aber wenn gelegentlich etwas Unternehmungslust in ihr aufflackerte, sagten ihre Schwestern: Mit deinen nackten Brüsten gehen wir nicht in den Speisesaal!

Um sich kurz darauf mit einem im Speisesaal sitzenden Mann zu verabreden, ohne grosse Überzeugung, nur so, als kleine Aufwärmübung, um zu sehen, ob die Sache mit den Blicken noch funktionierte.

Dann zog ich von Hamburg nach Italien und telefonierte nur noch ab und zu mit meiner Tante. Monate vergingen, Jahre, und Tante Gisela trank roten Tee und hatte schon alle Schwestern mit ihren Gobelins beglückt, mit Vermeers Dienstmagd mit dem Milchkrug, mit Spitzwegs armem Poeten und den verregneten Landschaften niederländischer Meister, als sie alle noch einmal überraschte und ihre Vorbildrolle für mich festigte: Tante Gisela kam ohne Stickzeug, dafür aber mit einem Mann zu Besuch.

Ein Mann, der kurz zuvor bei ihr eingezogen war, was zur Folge hatte, dass sie sich von ihren Trockenblumensträussen, Keramikkatzen und Porzellanpuppen getrennt hatte.

Es war also durchaus etwas Ernstes. Da war Tante Gisela fast siebzig Jahre alt. Der Mann, der das Wunder vollbracht hatte, hiess Fritz, war gross, charmant und elegant, ein Kavalier alter Schule, der aussah, als sei er allein für meine Tante geschaffen worden.

Der mit ihr lachte und sie Giselchen nannte, der sie verehrte und beschenkte und mit ihr auf Reisen ging, zu den Pyramiden nach Ägypten, nach China, Andalusien, Sankt Petersburg und Moskau.

Für Gobelinstickerei hatte meine Tante keine Zeit mehr, denn wenn sie nicht reiste, dann kochte sie. Einmal rief sie mich sogar an und fragte mich nach dem Rezept eines Gerichtes, das ich ihr hin und wieder gekocht hatte: Das mit den Suzukis und den Advocados, sagte sie.

Und wenn sie weder reisten noch kochten, dann schnitten Tante Gisela und Fritz ihre Videofilme, deren Markenzeichen die Stimme meiner Tante im Off war.

Beim nächsten Besuch wurden die Dokumentationen vorgeführt. Gleich wird er sich umdrehen und zurückkommen. Fritz, Fri-hitz!

Eines Tages besuchte mich Tante Gisela mit Fritz in Venedig. Sie kamen mit dem Motoscafo am Anleger nahe der Piazza San Marco an. Ich sah sie schon von weitem.

Meine Tante trug ein enges schwarzes Kostüm mit weissen Punkten, eine weisse Rüschenbluse und einen weissen Hut. Die Absätze ihrer Sandaletten waren so hoch, dass sie sehr eindrucksvoll schwankte, sämtliche Männerarme reckten sich ihr entgegen, die der Wassertaxifahrer, der Bootsjungen und der amerikanischen Mitreisenden, und wenn die Gondolieri und Muranoglasschlepper auch noch auf die Brücke des Anlegers gepasst hätten, dann hätten sie ebenfalls versucht, meiner Tante beim Verlassen des Motoscafo behilflich zu sein.

Dann löste sie sich aus den Armen von Fritz, der begeistert filmte, wie meine Tante über den Holzsteg balancierte und sich in die ihr entgegengestreckten Männerarme warf.

Da war meine Tante fast achtzig. Sie sahen von Venedig nichts anderes als sich selbst. Tante Gisela trank Wein und erzählte die Geschichte ihrer ersten Begegnung wie die einer Wunderheilung.

Sie hatten sich beim Ball der einsamen Herzen kennengelernt, Fritz trug einen weissen Anzug und hatte meine Tante zum Paso doble aufgefordert.

Zuerst habe sie gedacht, dass er garantiert magenkrank sei. Aber es war Liebe. Fast zwanzig Jahre lang haben Tante Gisela und Fritz zusammengelebt.

Im letzten Jahr ist Fritz gestorben, mit 89 Jahren. Nach der Beerdigung, als die Verwandten beim Leichenschmaus sassen, ging meine Tante noch einmal zu seinem Grab, meine Cousine begleitete sie.

Der Wind zerrte an den Chrysanthemengestecken und an den Kranzschleife, als meine Tante am Grab stand und sagte: Du warst die Liebe meines Lebens.

Die Absätze ihrer Schuhe waren flacher als früher. Aber nur etwas. PETRA RESKI ist freie Journalistin und Buchautorin; sie lebt in Venedig.

Von kunstundreisen. So eine schöne Liebesgeschichte!

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